Callie Cooke reveals why she's always wanted to be in Doctor Who

Lindy Pepper-Bean (Callie Cooke) sits at a desk in the middle of a room, next to a large, slatted round window. She is looking to her right and seems fearful.
(Image credit: BBC Studios/Bad Wolf)

Cheaters star Callie Cooke fulfils a lifelong dream this Saturday by guest-starring in the latest episode of Doctor Who. In 'Dot And Bubble', she plays Lindy Pepper-Bean, a popular resident of Finetime, a seemingly harmonious world where a horrible terror is preying on the inhabitants — but will the arrival of the Doctor (Ncuti Gatwa) and Ruby (Millie Gibson) help Lindy and her friends to realise that they are in terrible danger?

Doctor Who showrunner Russell T Davies has stated that he had the idea for this episode around 15 years ago, but realised that it wasn't possible to successfully pull it off with the technology and budget available to the show at the time. This Saturday, we'll finally see what Russell has been planning for all these years — and when we caught up with Callie for a chat, she told What To Watch that she thinks 'Dot And Bubble' will be worth the wait.

Here's what Callie had to say about her guest-starring role...

Callie Cooke interview for Doctor Who

What was it like when you got the call telling you that you were going to be in Doctor Who?

"As a kid, I always wanted to be in Doctor Who! I always had this thing at drama school, whenever they asked you what you wanted to, I was like, 'I want to be in Doctor Who'. I feel very privileged that Andy Pryor, the casting director, got me on tape and then it happened very quickly - next thing I knew, I was spending two months in Cardiff! Russell's been so amazing and supportive of me and my career since then, and I don't doubt that we'll work together again. I feel very lucky."

What can you tell us about your character in Dot And Bubble?

"I play Lindy Pepper-Bean — full name! — who I guess you could say lives in the world of influencers in the future. Lindy is incredibly popular and has lots of followers — she's kind of this Love Island, Molly-Mae-style futuristic person. She's incredibly kind, fun and loyal, but also very petulant and neurotic. She exists purely for this app, which is on her Dot — and there's only so much a person can be a real human if they only exist in a Dot."

A close-up of Lindy Pepper-Bean's (Callie Cooke) face in the world of Finetime, where she is surrounded by opaque windows showing other users. There is a window on the left showing the Doctor (Ncuti Gatwa) and one on the right showing Ruby (Millie Gibson).

Lindy (Callie Cooke) connects with the Doctor (Ncuti Gatwa) and Ruby (Millie Gibson) in Finetime. (Image credit: BBC Studios/Bad Wolf)

So did you watch a fair bit of Love Island and things like that to prepare for the role?

"Well, we wanted to give her layers, because it's easy to just go and play someone who's an influencer that has no personality. I remember Russell always telling me, 'yes, she's a bit of a nightmare, but she's got to be likeable', so I think in terms of basing her, I just tried to imagine what it would be like to never be with people in real life. In the world of Finetime, people are never together talking in person, so you have to think what effect it would have on a person if they're only communicating through an app."

Russell has described this episode as having a bit of a Black Mirror-quality to it — was that a vibe that you got from it too?

"Yeah, definitely: 'what if we became so addicted to our phones that we actually start to kind of live in them?' — which we're not that far away from! Basically, this character can't walk in a straight line without her Dot directing her, so we took that idea of being obsessed with technology and just ran with it, which I think people will definitely enjoy watching, if not be a bit scared by."

Lindy Pepper-Bean (Callie Cooke) steps into an elevator that's decorated in a lot of pastel shades. She has a virtual 'bubble' encircling her head, which contains lots of windows from her app.

Lindy's entire world is within Finetime. (Image credit: BBC Studios/Bad Wolf)

Russell also mentioned that it took time to have the necessary budget and technology to do this episode properly. Was that something you got a sense of on set too?

"It's tricky to gauge, because it was the first episode that they shot, but it definitely did feel like people thought it was quite a special episode. People really liked the story and the characters, the world was really fine-tuned — I guess because Russell had so long to work on it. You'll know when you watch it, the beats of the dialogue are pitch-perfect. Lindy doesn't really talk like you and I, they all have this kind of 'influencers gone wild' language that they have developed, and it's really fascinating. He's so consistent with his writing that within the first five minutes of the episode you understand this world, and you don't ask any more questions!"

Is there anything you can tell us about the other characters in this episode?

"Tom Rhys Harries plays a character called Ricky September who is a famous influencer, musician and singer in the world of Finetime. Lindy's obsessed with him, and he's the one everyone fancies. Everyone's following him and liking his videos — he's a really fun character."

Ricky September (Tom Rhys Harries), who is tanned and has wavy dirty blond hair, poses with his hands clasping the collar of his short sleeved Hawaiian shirt

Ricky September (Tom Rhys Harries) is a popular figure in Finetime. (Image credit: BBC Studios/Bad Wolf)

Since it had been a dream of yours for a long time, what was it like actually being on the set of Doctor Who for the first time?

"I still have this thing, every time I'm in a studio I'm like 'filmmaking is unbelievable' and I pinch myself — I can't get over it! Walking into the studios at Bad Wolf and seeing the TARDIS — I've got so many videos of me just running around this TARDIS that I've not been able to show anyone for a year! I'll never not be excited when I see a film set, but there's something about seeing the TARDIS and being in that studio. We actually filmed on location a lot, but we also have some unbelievable sets — Lindy's bedroom, which is created in the world of Finetime, is all pinks and purples and everything is really cutesy. Just being in that was so fun."

How did your friends and family react when they found out you were going to be in Doctor Who?

"My brother-in-law is a superfan, so he can't cope! I've done some cool stuff in the last year or so, but Doctor Who is the one some of them can't wait for. I think it's just because it's so relatable. I can't always drag my family to come and see me in a play in some bunker in north London, but they're incredibly proud to see me in Doctor Who."

Lots of actors have said that once you've been in Doctor Who, you're part of the show forever. Is that a feeling you've had from the show?

"I hope so! It really does feel like a family on that job, and like I said, Russell's already been so supportive of me this last year. I would love to stay a part of it, I would love to meet the fans and talk to them. If they respond to the character, then I would love to keep engaging with them forever — that would be amazing."

Lindy Pepper-Bean (Callie Cooke) sits at her desk wearing a purple jacket with furry cuffs. Her hands are resting on a lit-up device on the desk in front of her, which is presumably connected to Finetime.

Callie hopes viewers will respond to her character (Image credit: BBC Studios/Bad Wolf)

Finally, how were your two months of filming in Cardiff? Did you get to explore the city much?

"It was very cold! I was there in December and January — it was one of the coldest days of my life in December, and I'm in a miniskirt and I was basically stood in the sea, and it was freezing! But it's all part of it, you've just got to crack on. The second you moan about being cold, you're finished — you can't let it happen! It was fun, Cardiff over Christmas is beautiful and the people are amazing. I had a lovely time!"

Doctor Who: 'Dot And Bubble' is available in the UK from midnight on Friday May 31 on BBC iPlayer, and will air on BBC1 on Saturday June 1 at 6.50pm. Internationally, the episode will air on Disney+ where available from Saturday June 1.

Steven Perkins
Staff Writer for TV & Satellite Week, TV Times, What's On TV and whattowatch.com

Steven Perkins is a Staff Writer for TV & Satellite Week, TV Times, What's On TV and whattowatch.com, who has been writing about TV professionally since 2008. He was previously the TV Editor for Inside Soap before taking up his current role in 2020. He loves everything from gritty dramas to docusoaps about airports and thinks about the Eurovision Song Contest all year round.